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Last post 12-03-2007, 3:50 PM by Skilletdude. 4 replies.
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  •  11-27-2007, 1:31 PM 325167

    Tiesto?

    I believe Andy Hunter toured with a DJ called Tiesto.

    Does anyone know if Tiesto is a Christian? If not any ideas or thoughts on where he is at regarding religion and faith?

    I don't require my music to always have Christian content but I prefer to support artists who are Christian.

    Thanks!

  •  11-27-2007, 6:23 PM 325219 in reply to 325167

    Re: Tiesto?

    I like alot of his music but I'm not sure if Tiësto has ever commented on any faith. He did remix an Avalon song, "Can't Live A Day", and they are a Christian pop group. His music can be pretty clean and positive although I can't say that every track is. In particular, "Just Be" is too 'self focused'. With lines like...

    "If you're searching for truth
    You must look in the mirror
    And make sense of what you can see

    They say learning to love yourself is the first step
    That you take when you want to be real"

     I wouldn't call that a very Christian outlook. But I really can't say what Tiësto believes. As long as I inspect his lyrics and don't see anything completely objectionable, I will listen.

  •  11-27-2007, 6:42 PM 325230 in reply to 325219

    Re: Tiesto?

    Thanks for the info.

    Knowing that you haven't found too much negative content is reassuring. The lack of, I will assume this since you didn't mention it, anti religion or Christianity comments is also good.

     

  •  11-30-2007, 1:22 AM 325561 in reply to 325167

    Re: Tiesto?

    I have been a big fan of electronic music for about 4 years or so and have a rather good understanding of the Dance Culture and specifically Trance music.  I also am a committed Christian and am a huge fan of Andy Hunter and his vision to live as a Christian in the midst of prolifically secular and sensual culture.  Currently I am a 3rd year architecture major at Cal Poly University in San Luis Obispo, CA.

    DJ Tiesto also known as Tjes Verwest is one of the most famous and successful Trance DJ's over the last decade or so. (check Wikipedia for more info) As far as I know, Tiesto is not a Christian.  The message you've seen in the lyrics from "Just Be" does not come from a Christian worldview and probably represents Tiesto's worldview as you suspect.  In fact, Andy Hunter is the only professional DJ I know of that is a practicing Christian.  To add some more context, Tiesto is one of the most well known Dutch DJs.  If you know anything about Dutch culture, you know that the Dutch are very "liberal" in terms of morality and culture.  It is a very "postmodern" culture that rejects the notion of rules, a standard of right and wrong, and the established order and values seeking after pleasures of any kind.  Now this of course does not describe every Dutch person and is not exclusive to the Dutch.  This culture exists all around the world.  However, the Netherlands is usually always on the cutting edge of this "liberal" worldview.  This is partially why the Dutch have embraced the Dance Music scene which is generally described as a very experiential and sexually driven culture. 

     Dance Culture is a culture that values having a good time, living for the moment, and the pursuit of euphoria.  Clubs and raves create environments designed to overwhelm the senses.  The music is very loud and overwhelming, many people, (especially girls) are dressed to enhance their sexuality, alcohol of all kinds is readily available (and very expensive) at several bars throughout most clubs, some people use other illegal drugs such as ecstasy to enhance their experience, and the flashing lights are timed with music to create an extravagant audio-visual experience.

    Now if you are at all like me, when I was getting into this music, you are thinking that this does not sound at all like an environment that a Christian should be in.  However, there is something about a tight dance beat with a catchy synth over a driving bass line (and don't forget the sexy vocals) that stirs something in you.  I struggled for a while over whether it is ok for a Christian to engage with and even be a part of this culture.  I grew up going to a Protestant church in the Bay Area (just north of San Francisco)  This helped develop a worldview for me that says secular culture is detrimental to Christians and Christians should therefore be fully engaged in the Christian subculture... you know... the whole church youth group/Christian bands/Christian friends/Christian books/etc... culture.  This essentially is a culture that seeks to "Christianize" every aspect of secular culture so that Christian don't ever have to be tempted by secular culture.  Evangelism is achieved through bringing "non-Christians" into the Christian culture.  This culture potentially makes the cross just a piece of jewelry, Jesus just a celebrity, the Bible just a bumper sticker, and Holy Spirit and miracles into abstract theological concepts.  As a disclaimer, I am not saying that Christian music/books/etc.are bad, I think that many of these things are very good.  I am just questioning whether this Christian culture is really nothing more than secular culture slapped with a Christian label.  Materialism is probably the one of the biggest stumbling blocks for the Western church.  I wonder how much money churches spend on making themselves more comfortable and entertained verses what is spent on missions or helping the needy.

    Therefore, although I do not claim that Christian culture is a bad thing, I have been disillusioned by the marketed American Christian culture and have been convinced that making a Christian alternate to everything is not the way to reach the lost, but rather engaging with the secular culture.  Jesus spent a significant part of his ministry among the “sinners.”  There are many verses that talk about the calling for Christians is to be “in the world but not of the world” I believe that this is how Christians should approach engaging with any culture.  Dance culture is essentially no different from any other secular culture, it just happens to be one of the more eclectic ones.  The main issue for Christians is how do you engage with secular culture without being influenced by it?  This is especially acute when engaging with a culture that openly embraces many things that are considered sinful (e.g. drunkenness, intense sensuality, self-seeking, etc..)

    The most important thing I believe when engaging with any culture is where is your heart at?  Are you seeking ultimate satisfaction?  Is there a high probability of you seriously stumbling as a result of being in this culture?  What kind of influence are you having by participating in these things?

    Personally, I believe it is completely okay for me to go to a club and have a great time as long as I keep things in the proper perspective.  Practical ways of doing this are by limiting how many drinks I have, who I go with, how I engage with people when I am at these places.  I have found that it is much better to go with a at least a couple Christian friends, as it allows for accountability as well as its much more fun to go clubbing with people as you are enjoying the friendship you have at this place rather than looking for someone to hook up with as often happens at these places.  An unfortunate fact of most clubs is girls need to literally be near their guy friends on the dance floor so that strange guys don’t come up and start dancing very close to them.   I could go on but these are just a couple strategies I use when I go clubbing.  The famous DJ’s I have seen are Kyau & Albert, Gabriel & Dresden, Blank & Jones, Kaskade and other DJ’s in various clubs around the Bay Area (mostly in SF)

    In order to paint a complete picture, within the Dance Culture and electronic music there are many commendable good things that exist in spite of the bad parts as there are in every sub-culture.  One of these things is a sense of community and openness towards anyone engaging in the culture.  Granted this is a harsh generalization, but there are many instances where the sense of a shared experience and lack of discrimination is very apparent.  There have been times during DJ sets that I’ve been to where a climatic moment with a hit song or an amazing transition brings the whole crowd together in a sense of community despite most of the people are complete strangers to each other. 

    There are also many well written songs with legit lyrics.  Like in any music genre, dance music artists write songs inspired from what they experience in life.  As a result there are many songs that although they do not necessarily come from a Christian wordview, they speak of truth in the world and offer hope.  The majority of dance music songs are about love and relationships.  Some are dumb, some are cheesy, some are erotic yet there are some that capture the essence of what love is between people or powerfully speak of the pain that comes from broken relationships.  There are also songs about other deep things in life such as death, life, friendship, hope, dance culture itself, etc…  In a nutshell, there is a wide range material in songs like in any genre with the majority focusing on love and relationships.

    In terms of songs that stick out to me that have a powerful message, these are a few of my favorites you should definitely check out.

    Paul van Dyk – The Other Side  (Amazing song written by a premier German trance DJ that deals with the deaths from the Tsunami a couple years ago.  It speaks of seeing someone again on the “other side of life”  Speaks of hope and heaven.)

    Tiesto ft. BT – Love Comes Again (You may be familiar with this song from the Just Be album.  Aside from the fact that I love BT’s vocals, the words speak of love coming again through the hard parts of a relationship.  It speaks of commitment to one’s significant other.)

    Paul van Dyk – Time of Our Lives  (Words remind a lot of Ecclesiastes 3, talking about how there is a time for everything)

    Armin van Buuren ft. Raccoon – Love You More (Popular Dutch rock group song (in English) remixed by one of my favorite Dutch DJs.  Talks about a relationship where the lover tells his beloved “every day I love you more” despite not having seen her in a while.  Great song.

    BT – Somnambulist (Simply Being Loved)   (Quite possibly my favorite dance song.  Awesome lyrics talking about how “simply being loved is more than enough”  When that love is God’s love, it truly is more than enough to give our lives meaning.

    These songs are just a handful of the songs I love.  Artists that generally write great songs with powerful lyrics that I resonate with are Paul van Dyk, Kaskade, Kyau & Albert, BT, Gabriel & Dresden, Armin van Buuren.  I hope this has been helpful.  Let me know if you would like to discuss further via IM or something.  I remember being in your place a couple years ago just discovering the awesomeness that is electronic music and totally stoked on Andy Hunter.  I love how he is a great artist making awesome dance music who loves Jesus and is fully committed to him.  I belief Andy Hunter exemplifies the whole concept of “living in but not of the world”  He has had opportunities to rub shoulders with the world’s top DJ’s, have his music used in top films and video games and play in clubs around Europe, as well as lead worship as a DJ at Christian festivals.  I hope to someday be able to have that kind of opportunity and influence whether that be in architecture or as a musician.

    -Steve

  •  12-03-2007, 3:50 PM 326373 in reply to 325561

    Re: Tiesto?

    Thanks for your post, Steve...it's a lot to think about. I'm also a big fan of "Love Comes Again" and "Somnabulist". They have great messages to them. I also wanted to point out another track I found that I thought was very uplifting.

    Serge Devant - Surround U

     The male vocals are great and so are the lyrics:

    "When the night is set to call, when the shadows start to fall 
    When the darkness is the only thing you remember
    When you're miles and miles away and there aint nowhere left to stay
    When the only word your mind will say is "surrender"
    I will surround you
    I'll chase your fears and keep you near me
    Surround you"

    Serge Devant is a DJ from New York. I like some of his stuff, especially this track. Whether or not the lyrics were referring to God I don't know but that's how I interpret it. Listen to it on his myspace page if you'd like. But all in all, I think there is some great dance music out there, Christian or not. But I would just be cautious and really investigate what you are listening to before your start supporting it and buying it.

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