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Why by Nicole Nordeman - blasphemous
Last post 08-22-2008, 8:02 PM by mekinism. 13 replies.
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Why by Nicole Nordeman - blasphemous
Why
Nichole Nordeman
We rode into town the other day
Just me and my Daddy
He said I'd finally reached that age
And I could ride next to him on a horse
That of course was not quite as wide
We heard a crowd of people shouting
And so we stopped to find out why
And there was that man
That my dad said he loved
But today there was fear in his eyes
So I said "Daddy, why are they screaming?
Why are the faces of some of them beaming?
Why is He dressed in that bright purple robe?
I'll bet that crown hurts Him more than He shows
Daddy, please can't you do something?
He looks as though He's gonna cry
You said he was stronger than all of those guys
Daddy, please tell me why
Why does everyone want him to die?"
Later that day the sky grew cloudy
And Daddy said I should go inside
Somehow he knew things would get stormy
Boy was he right
But I could not keep from wondering
If there was something he had to hide
So after he left I had to find out
I was not afraid of getting lost
So I followed the crowds
To a hill where I knew men had been killed
And I heard a voice come from the cross
And it said, "Father, why are they screaming?
Why are the faces of some of them beaming?
Why are they casting their lots for My robe?
This crown of thorns hurts Me more than it shows
Father, please can't You do something?
I know that You must hear My cry
I thought I could handle the cross of this size
Father, remind Me why
Why does everyone want Me to die?
When will I understand why?"
"My precious Son, I hear them screaming
I'm watching the face of the enemy beaming
But soon I will clothe You in robes of My own
Jesus, this hurts Me much more than You know
But this dark hour I must do nothing
Though I've heard Your unbearable cry
The power in Your blood destroys all of the lies
Soon You'll see past their unmerciful eyes
Look there below, see the child
Trembling by her father's side
Now I can tell You why
She is why You must die"
And here were my observations, which I emailed to our pastors:
I understand the sentimentality and the attempt to convey some sort of
message of God's love in the song, but let me say straight out that I
found the song downright blasphemous and unbiblical. Let us examine the
pertinent parts:
And it said, "Father, why are they screaming?
Why are the faces of some of them beaming?
Why are they casting their lots for My robe?
This crown of thorns hurts Me more than it shows
Father, please can't You do something?
I know that You must hear My cry
I thought I could handle the cross of this size
Father, remind Me why
Why does everyone want Me to die?
When will I understand why?"
Those words, according to the song, were the words of Jesus and an
attempt to convey the agony of the cross. I agree with the motive but
the lyrics are blasphemous, particularly when they are being sung as
words ascribed to the Lord. Let me show you why I think this way...
And it said, "Father, why are they screaming?
Why are the faces of some of them beaming?
Why are they casting their lots for My robe?
First, Jesus Christ was innocent. This meant that He had no sin and
committed no sin. However, this does not mean that He was ignorant.
Time and again in His earthly ministry He affirmed KNOWLEDGE that He
would die of the sins of many (Mark 10:45). His prayer in John 17 are
not the words of an ignorant man.
When they came together in Galilee, he said to them, "The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men. (Matthew 17:22)
Second. Jesus was not a raving fool on the cross. We can read a lot of
meaning in "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" but we do not have the right
to make it appear that Jesus was raving: Raving is when a person,
bereft or reason, would "talk irrationally in or as if in delirium"
(Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary)
Third, this is plain ridiculous:
I thought I could handle the cross of this size
Is this to say that Jesus had second thoughts because He swallowed more
than He could handle? He knew full well who He was and why He came in
the flesh: No one else would suffice. He knew that He had to die and He
knew why. He chose this path.
He said to them, "The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the
hands of men. They will kill him, and after three days he will rise." (Mark 9:31)
Fourth, the song gives Jesus amnesia:
Father, remind Me why
Why does everyone want Me to die?
Is Jesus so stupid that He did not even know what was happening or why
it was happening to Him? Was He some brainless fool made into a
scapegoat without His knowledge, understanding and consent? That is how
the song depicts Him. The only thing that Jesus claimed ignorance about
while in the flesh was the time of His second Advent, but to make it
sound like He FORGOT "what on earth he was here for" is downright
insulting to His person.
Remember how He assured the thief on the cross? Would a clueless and
worse, pain-maddened person even do that? Or would someone behaving as
the song depicts be even able to demonstrate to the thief, the
centurion at the foot of the cross that He was, after all, who He
claimed to be?
Ephesians 1:3-14 describes our spiritual blessings in Christ and
highlights what it was all about: "in accordance with his pleasure and
will" (1:5) and this appears in variations throughout this sentence (as
far as I remember, the passage was one long sentence in Greek).
John 17:1 says: After
Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "Father, the time
has come. GLORIFY YOUR SON, THAT YOUR SON MAY GLORIFY YOU. As far
as I understand, this is the bottom line, the very purpose of the
cross. It was for God's eternal glory. Yes, it does save sinners and
yes, it was an act of love, but it was all about God's eternal glory
from start to finish.
"My precious Son, I hear them screaming
I'm watching the face of the enemy beaming
But soon I will clothe You in robes of My own
Jesus, this hurts Me much more than You know
But this dark hour I must do nothing
Though I've heard Your unbearable cry
The power in Your blood destroys all of the lies
Soon You'll see past their unmerciful eyes
Look there below, see the child
Trembling by her father's side
Now I can tell You why
She is why You must die"
And now what is this? An impotent Father comforting his witless son? It
sure sounds that way. Never mind the man-centered theme of the song,
which is another issue altogether, but consider the underlying theology
expressed by the song.
Brethren, we all know Jesus is perfectly Human, but let us not
highlight one aspect of who He is and neglect the fact that we are
talking of God here. He became flesh, but He did not have a sinful
nature. He was, as Millard Erickson explained it, a real man but with
no sinful nature (something like a union between the divine nature and
the untainted human nature of the pre-fall Adam).
In our sentimentality and attempts to dramatize what Jesus went through
for us, let us not end up degrading His person and, by extension, His
work for us. That Deity clothed Himself in frail flesh to save wretched
sinners is enough: let us not trample on the person of Jesus and pass
it off as a Christian song.
The death of Christ should move us to tears, yes. Tears of awe and
worship, tears of adoration and love. Tears of thankfulness and joy
that undeserving sinners as we are, Jesus has purchased our redemption
with His blood. However, tears of PITY have no place in worship. And
that, precisely, is what the song seems to want to evoke: pity for a
person, hanging on the cross, suffering, maddened by pain, raving,
forgetful of what it was all for, ignorant, and totally out of control.
I had to keep from taking communion that day because I was completely
upset. Honestly, I wanted to walk out of church right there and then,
but my wife stopped me. She agrees with my assessment of the song, and
I am saddened that she was there to hear it. At least she stopped me
from overreacting.
If I err in my analysis, please correct me so I may learn. john
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04-28-2008, 8:11 AM |
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johnanonymous
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Why by Nicole Nordeman - blasphemous
Just to add a note, I didn't make this analysis, I found this post from another christian website. Somebody else made this analysis so don't think I did this at all.
Although I admit, I agree with the person who made the analysis.
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04-30-2008, 4:37 AM |
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johnanonymous
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Re: Why by Nicole Nordeman - blasphemous
I understand the fact that its a song, but u must also understand that songs also has meanings. Christian songs gotta be biblical! Because we're talkin about God here! If this person somehow criticized the song like this, then Nichole shouldve at least checked the whole Theology of the song before publishing it. This song actually belittles Jesus into a more humanistic sense. Though he's human, u must understand, he's not a sinful human. When he went to the cross, He's aware of whats happening and whats about to happen... I love some of her songs but this song stood out as it has some errors.
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05-03-2008, 3:28 AM |
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Re: Why by Nicole Nordeman - blasphemous
uhh, can i just say, that this song happens to be biblical. This is pertaining to the life of Jesus Christ, and if you happen to talk about Jesus in your song, you gotta be careful that you really write the song with how it was described in the bible. You can't just post encouraging Christian songs without relating everything to the bible. I mean, thats why its called Christian songs from the beginning wouldn't it? Christians should be doing things biblically and talking about things biblically because the bible is the very foundation of our faith! You can't just encourage somebody without bringing a biblical perspective to it. You're probably talking about non-christian songs that are encouraging, but then again, they wouldn't know that there's a biblical perspective to it, God's fingerprint may have bcome part of their lives but didnt realize it and I might even quote a bible verse for you. Give me one christian song that's encouraging but no biblical perspective!
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07-05-2008, 7:50 PM |
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Re: Why by Nicole Nordeman - blasphemous
I don't understand any criticisms of this song. Did not Jesus ask why His Father forsake Him on the cross? In other words, there are things in the Bible we do not understand(or will not understand at least until our own earthly death).
Grant it, the song is not Biblical in that Nichole used her imagination in trying to reveal what other things Jesus thought during the Crucifixion. But to call this song blasphemous reminds me of the Pharisees when they were convinced Jesus had a demon in Him during the scene in the Bible where Jesus was driving out demons.
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07-06-2008, 2:59 PM |
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Re: Why by Nicole Nordeman - blasphemous
Braveheart:
I don't understand any criticisms of this song. Did not Jesus ask why His Father forsake Him on the cross? In other words, there are things in the Bible we do not understand(or will not understand at least until our own earthly death).
Grant it, the song is not Biblical in that Nichole used her imagination in trying to reveal what other things Jesus thought during the Crucifixion. But to call this song blasphemous reminds me of the Pharisees when they were convinced Jesus had a demon in Him during the scene in the Bible where Jesus was driving out demons.
I agree with you completely :)
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07-07-2008, 6:47 PM |
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Re: Why by Nicole Nordeman - NOT blasphemous at ALL.
Agreed -
John, c'mon. I know it's not your 'argument' but whoever originally wrote it i think is being a bit silly. Braveheart is right - Jesus asked the Father "why have You forsaken Me?" He wasn't being "Ignorant" in that statement either. He also asked if there was any other way- to let this cup pass. what? Jesus didn't know!?
It's about artistic license, yes..even in Christian music. Just as it is in Christian literature, movies etc etc. Yes, it's a fine line - but in such cases you should refer to the 'spirt of the law' vs. the 'letter of the law' - if you know what i mean. The notion that Jesus comes off as 'ignorant, stupid or amnesiatic' are, i'm sorry - absurd.
One of the greatest things about coley's music is the fact that it's not robotic Christian dribble...and yes - that stuff is out there. Nichole isn't saying this is SCRIPTURALLY how it happend. If so...THEN sure - you could call her out. This is how she decided to interpret it for her song when she wrote it - which btw she was very young when she did. I'm willing to bet that this song has brought way more souls to the Lord than has turned away because someone grappled with the fact that "according to Nichole Nordeman, Jesus was really clueless".
I would ask the guy that wrote that response if he feels that as the song was played in church - and as it touched so many people in the room - Jesus was shaking his head in disappointment. Personally, Ii don't think so.
It really looks like someone put a lot of time and research into that original post. If you ask me, it was a sad waste of time. =)
=M=
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Re: Why by Nicole Nordeman - NOT blasphemous at ALL.
mekinism:
Agreed -
John, c'mon. I know it's not your 'argument' but whoever originally wrote it i think is being a bit silly. Braveheart is right - Jesus asked the Father "why have You forsaken Me?" He wasn't being "Ignorant" in that statement either. He also asked if there was any other way- to let this cup pass. what? Jesus didn't know!?
It's about artistic license, yes..even in Christian music. Just as it is in Christian literature, movies etc etc. Yes, it's a fine line - but in such cases you should refer to the 'spirt of the law' vs. the 'letter of the law' - if you know what i mean. The notion that Jesus comes off as 'ignorant, stupid or amnesiatic' are, i'm sorry - absurd.
One of the greatest things about coley's music is the fact that it's not robotic Christian dribble...and yes - that stuff is out there. Nichole isn't saying this is SCRIPTURALLY how it happend. If so...THEN sure - you could call her out. This is how she decided to interpret it for her song when she wrote it - which btw she was very young when she did. I'm willing to bet that this song has brought way more souls to the Lord than has turned away because someone grappled with the fact that "according to Nichole Nordeman, Jesus was really clueless".
I would ask the guy that wrote that response if he feels that as the song was played in church - and as it touched so many people in the room - Jesus was shaking his head in disappointment. Personally, Ii don't think so.
It really looks like someone put a lot of time and research into that original post. If you ask me, it was a sad waste of time. =)
=M=
I agree with you in all that you had to say about this topic. I also agree with this that posting this topic was a waste of time.
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07-10-2008, 9:38 AM |
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Re: Why by Nicole Nordeman - blasphemous
OK - I just joined this site, after hearing Nichole Nordman for the first time - or at least since becoming aware that the music I was listening to was hers - lol
What on earth is all this about?? John, I have to say that in my opinion, your focus is totally wrong, my friend. One of the biggest things that really annoys me is the amount of time that Christians spend pulling other Christians down, especially about differences in music. Let's not forget that music, period, is a gift from God. Talent and interpretation of music is also another wonderful gift from God. Yes of course there are those out there who have prostituted and abused the gift, but I can tell you that Nichole is not one of those. Her music is inspired and inspiration, and I for one have been moved to tears listening to her words.
Why on earth can't Christians get back to the focus of what being a Christian is all about - seeking and saving the lost, not picking and backbiting and attacking one's Christian brothers and sisters. Sometimes, the meaning and the sentiment behind a song reach deep into the hearts of a person, where words from the Bible cannot. We can't keep beating people about the head with scripture all the time, we have to live like Jesus, and accept people where they are at, and try to show them the love of Jesus, and the forgiveness of Jesus and the mercy of Jesus, in ways that will speak to them.
You know, I even had one 'Christian brother' who tried to tell me that the only acceptable music is psalms as they are the only words inspired by the Holy Spirit. He also tried to tell me that Bluegrass was near to being Holy, but Rock music isn't. I would like him to meet some of the Christian rock bands I know of, and the fans who have come to know of the love of Jesus through words considered by others as blasphemous.
Lay off Nichole and focus on someone who really needs to hear the message of the Gospel of salvation. Jesus said "Go out into the world to preach, baptise and make disciples" He did not say "Go out into the world and add to the already gaping chasm of division between Christians.
All that being said, I wish you God's blessing - Albie
Albert J Burton
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Re: Why by Nicole Nordeman - blasphemous
Silverevangel:
OK - I just joined this site, after hearing Nichole Nordman for the first time - or at least since becoming aware that the music I was listening to was hers - lol
What on earth is all this about?? John, I have to say that in my opinion, your focus is totally wrong, my friend. One of the biggest things that really annoys me is the amount of time that Christians spend pulling other Christians down, especially about differences in music. Let's not forget that music, period, is a gift from God. Talent and interpretation of music is also another wonderful gift from God. Yes of course there are those out there who have prostituted and abused the gift, but I can tell you that Nichole is not one of those. Her music is inspired and inspiration, and I for one have been moved to tears listening to her words.
Why on earth can't Christians get back to the focus of what being a Christian is all about - seeking and saving the lost, not picking and backbiting and attacking one's Christian brothers and sisters. Sometimes, the meaning and the sentiment behind a song reach deep into the hearts of a person, where words from the Bible cannot. We can't keep beating people about the head with scripture all the time, we have to live like Jesus, and accept people where they are at, and try to show them the love of Jesus, and the forgiveness of Jesus and the mercy of Jesus, in ways that will speak to them.
You know, I even had one 'Christian brother' who tried to tell me that the only acceptable music is psalms as they are the only words inspired by the Holy Spirit. He also tried to tell me that Bluegrass was near to being Holy, but Rock music isn't. I would like him to meet some of the Christian rock bands I know of, and the fans who have come to know of the love of Jesus through words considered by others as blasphemous.
Lay off Nichole and focus on someone who really needs to hear the message of the Gospel of salvation. Jesus said "Go out into the world to preach, baptise and make disciples" He did not say "Go out into the world and add to the already gaping chasm of division between Christians.
All that being said, I wish you God's blessing - Albie
I agree with all that you have said.
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08-22-2008, 8:02 PM |
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Re: Why by Nicole Nordeman - blasphemous
and i agree with all that tobymacrocks has said. ;)
 **everyone is broken**
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